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Peter Robinson's avatar

This is a very valuable article which I have not finished reading!

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Andrew Fisher's avatar

You in fact seemed pretty much to say exactly the things I said..Perhaps read your own blog….!

"The Brexit-fueled racism of the UK continues to this day". Which I'd say was and is complete rubbish, though some very strong Remain partisans wanted to paint this picture. (A few attacks in the street were misrepresented).

(I always find the dislike of Brexit by citizens of other nations quite amazing. Do American and Canadian citizens wish to merge their nations into a supranational political union? As the European Union undoubtedly is, for better or worse. Or even Indian and Pakistani citizens who regularly comment - nations that can't even seem to open more than a couple of land borders between them!).

"Europeans find government assistance normal and unremarkable, because to us, it’s literally thousands of years old, dating back to the Roman grain dole in 134 BCE. Ancient Rome, those notorious Marxists". In the UK at least, government assistance has been much more contentious and even at times somewhat stigmatised, than that comment implies.

There is no continuity between the Roman Empire and modern European states, and the modern bureaucracies that run them are in fact little, if any older than the US equivalents. If you aren't making that claim, I don't know why you even mentioned the Roman corn dole.

I think you are confused as well on socialism/ social democracy. Ok, it's confusing because words are used in very different ways and often just as attack terms by opponents (e.g. neoliberalism, Marxism, fascism). Socialism is mentioned a few times as if, rather like the word "Christian" is often used, it just means vaguely good, rather than a proven disastrous economic system, not least for the people it is supposed to be helping. If Bernie Sanders wants that, he's an idiot, but I suspect he probably does want something akin to a bigger welfare state - you'd know better than me about that.

Let's agree that Left and Right are fuzzy terms anyway, each country's history is different and it is easy to over-generalise. The big difference between the US and Europe used to be that the former was fundamentally an immigration society. However at the same time its former slave population was treated abominably, especially with the introduction of Jim Crow laws, and Europe has no institutional equivalent of that history, although of course it has racism.

Lastly, healthcare is an area where the US system is unambiguously to the "Right" of Europe, with a system that is both extremely expensive and non-comprehensive. The heated rhetoric and feeling over this in the States does seem very alien to the European debate, although we have our own problems in Britain, with the creaking, entirely state-run and funded NHS. And then there are those guns and mass shootings - I'm not going to make any glib comments about that because no doubt the reasons are complex. But the "Right" in the United States definitely are far keener on gun ownership than any equivalent in Europe.

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